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Post by bingles on Jan 30, 2005 16:53:51 GMT -5
Does using a quest list lessen your enjoyment of the quests?
There is an assumption that some cres are making that using a quest list means you don't enjoy the quests they code. Are they right?
Personally I have found that using a quest list has enhanced my enjoyment of the MUD and reduced the frustrations of not being able to find the correnct syntax in many quests.
Plus being able to work with the group of people on this site to find the bits and pieces of a quest and putting it all together has been great fun.
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Post by myfanwy on Feb 1, 2005 9:35:52 GMT -5
I understand how the creators think - it must be annoying for someone to give away a solution to the quest they've coded. But i agree with Bingles. Having help with the quests and working throught the problems with others makes the game more enjoyable. i personally would have found it really difficult to find and complete the quests without a little help
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Post by Teller on Feb 1, 2005 12:05:17 GMT -5
I would go further,
If it wasn't for the help on here I wouldn't even bother with most of the quests as they are simply too difficult to resolve on your own so very few would ever see the quest.
They get done because the cre must tell someone at least something about it and the word gets out passed from mouth to mouth. You just wouldn't even find half of them otherwise.
I mostly play alone because I like to do things my way. Consequently I don't have a large ring of freinds to help me. I would miss a lot of the enjoyment without this site/board.
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Post by Blue Beetle on Mar 15, 2005 11:45:18 GMT -5
The only reason I find quests interesting is because of this site. On the Disc I wouldn't have bothered, but the discussion and ideas shared here make it worthwhile.
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Post by Random on Mar 16, 2005 14:07:55 GMT -5
I try to solve most quests for myself. And I must admit, the amount of quest hints in game has most definitely improved. But I know of some quests that have no hints whatsoever. If somebody doesn't tell you, you won't find it. When I come here, I prefer to read the board for hints of quests, rather then looking for entire solutions. And subsequently, I prefer to post hints rather then complete solutions.
At the same time, I think quest lists could just as well be a stimulant to code better quests. A good example is the murder in Genua - that is absolutely brilliant! You can't really give out a solution, since there is not one solution. And yet, the hints are out there.
Quests are too often along the lines of 'bring item A to NPC B', or 'kill so-and-so'. The more a quest is a puzzle with more then one answer, I find my enjoyment of the quest rising enormously.
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Post by Kanz on Apr 12, 2005 7:49:49 GMT -5
i would point out that the recent addition of the uberwald learning quest was pretty obvious, the only thing you could do there was learn the quest. Dunno if additions are being made, but if cre's want to keep quests secret so only people find out about them that work hard to find them mebbe they shouldn't have these kind of announcements in news?
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Post by Me on May 16, 2005 8:41:44 GMT -5
It's True, And I know that creators hate this
kind of thing, but without it I just wouldn't do quests.
So It's a question of writing a quest no one does?
Or writing a quest that gets on a quest list and folks do?
BF.
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Post by Kanz on May 18, 2005 3:58:11 GMT -5
cre's hate it if people give out quest solutions, yes? because they've worked so hard to make the quest.
but if noone knows how to solve, or even find the quest, what is the point of all their hard work?
*thumbsup* and keep up the good work everyone!
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Post by Ovvl on Jun 15, 2005 4:32:39 GMT -5
Personally, I think the creators, the newbie helpers, and the ENTIRE wizards guild should be given alot of weed and a big procreating bong. they really need to chill out.
if I coded a quest, I sure as hell wouldn't make rules that ABSOLUTELY FORBIDS people talking about the quests. "sorry, you're asking for help on a quest, we can't help you." actually, I'm not asking for help on a quest you presumptious bastard, I'm looking for a god damned quest. would you be so kind as to point me in the general direction? "no, I can't do that."
Whats the point?
ok I'm going to publish a book, and I'm only going to make it available to the people that I 'THINK' are worthy. which basically means that my sales aren't going to be so hot. I'm probably not going to retire.
now, these people that I 'THINK' are worthy, are people that obviously aren't going to enjoy it, because they wrote a book too, about the same d**n thing.
yanno where I'm going? no? read on.
so instead of just letting a select few do the quests, I make them available to all who ask, here is a quest list available on the MUD, like a bulletin board. (a certain well placed personage is looking for freelancers.) oh look a quest!. not providing details, just a general place to start.
(the womble brooch seems to be the only quest that even gives XP anymore. dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!) Fetch the stick Fido! Fetch it here! Good boy. 10K exp for ... sorry went on a tangent.
so, we expose a LARGE sample of new people to the mud to SOME quests, of Varying difficulty, and steps to complete. which.... anybody want to raise their hand? no? nobody knows.
Which LEADS to a larger sample of users that want to find quests on their own. which leads to a larger sample of users that know what to look for in a place to find a quest.
Which ultimately means....
(please note, this level of sarcasm and suggested level of stupidity, and SEVERE LACK of forward thinking is Directed at any creator that comes across this.)
which ultimately means you will have a larger group of users on the Discworld at any given time, the majority of the users on the disc will opt to look for quests by thier own means, ie hunting them up themselves. and the minority will still make sites like this one. but it won't matter because the majority will still win out.
the other good point about this is... this will breed ideas in new minds bringing fresh blood to the MUD, to the creators, to the liasons, to the life blood of this game, which will bring more players, and more quests, and multitudes of potential adventures for all who wander by.
(in our current situation on the disc, anyone that wants to find quests, has to find a site like this, that may or may not have spoilers. unfortunately, and ultimately, it was the attitude of the creators that created this mess. if the creators want someone to blame, look in the bleeping mirror you whining bunch of babies.)
I've finished my rant for now, my apologies for the cuss words, but I couldn't think of better words to describe my immense displeasure for the total incompetency of the current creator attitude..
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Post by Nemo on Aug 19, 2005 23:14:44 GMT -5
My biggest complaint about the 'secrecy' of QI, is the fact that it's really near impossible to find the d**n things. I don't mind them being difficult to solve, and really only turn to this site, when what I think is supposed to happen, doesn't.
So, along the subject of bad juju for giving out the QI, would the cre's find a way of tracking me down if I create an account here?
I've even seen some entries in here where the registered name is the same as an actual player's name.
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Post by Pinkfish on Aug 31, 2005 12:19:26 GMT -5
And you think that people posting on the internet always tell the truth?  |
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Post by Blue Beetle on Aug 31, 2005 13:41:25 GMT -5
Personally, I think the creators, the newbie helpers, and the ENTIRE wizards guild should be given alot of weed and a big procreating bong. they really need to chill out. |
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Post by Blue Beetle on Aug 31, 2005 13:45:16 GMT -5
And you think that people posting on the internet always tell the truth?
When are you going to finish the horses? |
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Post by Blue Beetle on Aug 31, 2005 13:48:50 GMT -5
I've finished my rant for now, my apologies for the cuss words, but I couldn't think of better words to describe my immense displeasure for the total incompetency of the current creator attitude..  |
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Post by Brian on Sept 9, 2005 21:52:26 GMT -5
Personally, I think the creators, the newbie helpers, and the ENTIRE wizards guild should be given alot of weed and a big procreating bong. they really need to chill out. Pah, If wizards wanted bong water, they'd all be hedgers, and the University Orders would become extinct. Just give 'em a plate .. nay, a platter of food. That will shut them up for atleast two seconds! |
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